Dodaje cytaty:
Jones: Well, thank you for the feedback, ‘cause, I must say, I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became uh, an atheist, uh, I have become uh, you— you feel uh, tainted, uh, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist. He— He knows that I— I— I recognize only love, when I say— I’ll say, "God is Love"— well, you heard my preaching. You know where I’m at. - Q622 Transcript - http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=27498
I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist -- Q622 Transcript - http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=27498
They’re watching us, the Soviet Union fascinated by us, they come by— the Cubans every day, the Soviet Union. Totally fascinated. In fact, a little threatened, by our goodness and our lack of elitism. But they’re going to come and study it, they said that we could be a model. The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled, just — that’s not the word I want but I’m under too much pressure — spellbound, he was spellbound by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism? And the communists’ study? Not even communist practice, he’d be overwhelmed by the communist practice, even though some of you don’t know why you’re practicing communism. He said, you mean you— he got the church and got them out of atheism, he said, we haven’t been able to do that with the Soviet Union’s churches in 50 years. And he said, we got a control over them, we got the funding over them, we have to give them the money, so that the religion won’t become a vulture on the people, make private collections - Q757 Transcript - http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=27580
The move to San Francisco permitted Jones to return to urban recruitment and made better political sense because it permitted the Temple to show its true political stripes.[53] By spring 1976, Jones openly admitted even to outsiders that he was an atheist.[54] Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, by 1977, Jones' wife, Marcy, openly admitted to the New York Times that Jones had not been lured to religion because of faith, but because it served his goal of social change through Marxism.[21] She stated that, as early as age 18 when he watched his idol Mao Zedong defeat the Nationalists in the Chinese Civil War, Jones realized that the way to achieve social change in the United States was to mobilize people through religion.[21] She admitted that "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion" and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling, "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[21] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple#cite_note-55
Nikt do sekty nie przyciągał ateizmem, tylko religią: "Jones realized that the way to achieve social change in the United States was to mobilize people through religion".
Nowe terminy na dzisiaj: "ateizm chrześcijański" oraz "religie nieteistyczne".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Atheism_and_irreligion
I tu właśnie jego książkowy przykład. Kontując cytat, który uciął serek:
"Uh, we— we think Jesus Christ was a swinger. He taught some pretty damn good things at feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, uh, maybe a little paternalistic, but it’s still uh— all the emphasis of the judgment of character— the only time he ever mentioned judgment at all was in Matthew 25, and it had to do totally with what you were doing for other people, so we— we emphasize the teachings of Christ, but um, we’re a— we are as um— we’re the most unusual church I’ve ever run into, in— in this sense, uh, and we state in the church— I would’ve loved to have been in the foundation."
90% to jakieś przypuszczenie Jonesa, na temat bliżej niesprecyzowanych "our people". Na stronie, której serek używa za źródło można znaleźć wyjaśnienie, że chodziło o kierownictwo sekty, szeregowi członkowie to chrześcijanie.
"[...]The first system, which tended to be concentrated in Jim Jones and a small leadership corps, comprised a belief in the salvific power of socialism. Somewhat atheistic, or at best agnostic, in nature [...] In this view, religion could be used to attract people into the organization so that the real message of Christianity — radical sharing and mutual support — could actually be lived. The second belief system in the Temple, and by far the largest, was a traditional Christianity which emphasized the prophetic call to social justice and a belief that the kingdom of God could be established on earth by living in an apostolic community. [...]"
http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35356
Nie wiem też, skąd pomysł o jakimś kazaniu, źródła są z wywiadów.
@passingby:
<<Nikt do sekty nie przyciągał ateizmem, tylko religią: "Jones realized that the way to achieve social change in the United States was to mobilize people through religion".>>
Tak, żeby przyciągnąć ludzi do ateizmu. Masz napisane jak byk: They’re watching us, the Soviet Union fascinated by us, they come by— the Cubans every day, the Soviet Union. Totally fascinated. In fact, a little threatened, by our goodness and our lack of elitism. But they’re going to come and study it, they said that we could be a model. The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled, just — that’s not the word I want but I’m under too much pressure — spellbound, he was spellbound by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism?
To że Jim powiedział że Jezus zrobił kilka dobrych rzeczy niczego nie dowodzi, pragnę przypomnieć o tkz. Teorii Marksistowskiej mitu Jezusa.
>>90% to jakieś przypuszczenie Jonesa, na temat bliżej niesprecyzowanych "our people". Na stronie, której serek używa za źródło można znaleźć wyjaśnienie, że chodziło o kierownictwo sekty, szeregowi członkowie to chrześcijanie. <<
Zauważ że w transkrypcie Q622 mówi do tłumu [wyznawców]
The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled, just — that’s not the word I want but I’m under too much pressure — spellbound, he was spellbound by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism? And the communists’ study? Not even communist practice, he’d be overwhelmed by the communist practice, even though some of you don’t know why you’re practicing communism. He said, you mean you— he got the church and got them out of atheism, he said, we haven’t been able to do that with the Soviet Union’s churches in 50 years. And he said, we got a control over them, we got the funding over them, we have to give them the money, so that the religion won’t become a vulture on the people, make private collections. We maintain the church, and let them have their religion as much as they need it. But he said, we cannot get them out of their religion.
Mówiłby wprost do chrześcijan że chce aby byli ateistami?
Dlatego daj spokój i zaakceptuj fakty choć może to być dla ciebie trudne.
Dodaje cytaty: Jones: Well, thank you for the feedback, ‘cause, I must say, I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became uh, an atheist, uh, I have become uh, you— you feel uh, tainted, uh, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist. He— He knows that I— I— I recognize only love, when I say— I’ll say, "God is Love"— well, you heard my preaching. You know where I’m at. - Q622 Transcript - http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=27498 I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist -- Q622 Transcript - http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=27498 They’re watching us, the Soviet Union fascinated by us, they come by— the Cubans every day, the Soviet Union. Totally fascinated. In fact, a little threatened, by our goodness and our lack of elitism. But they’re going to come and study it, they said that we could be a model. The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled, just — that’s not the word I want but I’m under too much pressure — spellbound, he was spellbound by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism? And the communists’ study? Not even communist practice, he’d be overwhelmed by the communist practice, even though some of you don’t know why you’re practicing communism. He said, you mean you— he got the church and got them out of atheism, he said, we haven’t been able to do that with the Soviet Union’s churches in 50 years. And he said, we got a control over them, we got the funding over them, we have to give them the money, so that the religion won’t become a vulture on the people, make private collections - Q757 Transcript - http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=27580 The move to San Francisco permitted Jones to return to urban recruitment and made better political sense because it permitted the Temple to show its true political stripes.[53] By spring 1976, Jones openly admitted even to outsiders that he was an atheist.[54] Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, by 1977, Jones' wife, Marcy, openly admitted to the New York Times that Jones had not been lured to religion because of faith, but because it served his goal of social change through Marxism.[21] She stated that, as early as age 18 when he watched his idol Mao Zedong defeat the Nationalists in the Chinese Civil War, Jones realized that the way to achieve social change in the United States was to mobilize people through religion.[21] She admitted that "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion" and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling, "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[21] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple#cite_note-55
OdpowiedzNikt do sekty nie przyciągał ateizmem, tylko religią: "Jones realized that the way to achieve social change in the United States was to mobilize people through religion". Nowe terminy na dzisiaj: "ateizm chrześcijański" oraz "religie nieteistyczne". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Atheism_and_irreligion I tu właśnie jego książkowy przykład. Kontując cytat, który uciął serek: "Uh, we— we think Jesus Christ was a swinger. He taught some pretty damn good things at feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, uh, maybe a little paternalistic, but it’s still uh— all the emphasis of the judgment of character— the only time he ever mentioned judgment at all was in Matthew 25, and it had to do totally with what you were doing for other people, so we— we emphasize the teachings of Christ, but um, we’re a— we are as um— we’re the most unusual church I’ve ever run into, in— in this sense, uh, and we state in the church— I would’ve loved to have been in the foundation." 90% to jakieś przypuszczenie Jonesa, na temat bliżej niesprecyzowanych "our people". Na stronie, której serek używa za źródło można znaleźć wyjaśnienie, że chodziło o kierownictwo sekty, szeregowi członkowie to chrześcijanie. "[...]The first system, which tended to be concentrated in Jim Jones and a small leadership corps, comprised a belief in the salvific power of socialism. Somewhat atheistic, or at best agnostic, in nature [...] In this view, religion could be used to attract people into the organization so that the real message of Christianity — radical sharing and mutual support — could actually be lived. The second belief system in the Temple, and by far the largest, was a traditional Christianity which emphasized the prophetic call to social justice and a belief that the kingdom of God could be established on earth by living in an apostolic community. [...]" http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35356 Nie wiem też, skąd pomysł o jakimś kazaniu, źródła są z wywiadów.
Odpowiedz@passingby: <<Nikt do sekty nie przyciągał ateizmem, tylko religią: "Jones realized that the way to achieve social change in the United States was to mobilize people through religion".>> Tak, żeby przyciągnąć ludzi do ateizmu. Masz napisane jak byk: They’re watching us, the Soviet Union fascinated by us, they come by— the Cubans every day, the Soviet Union. Totally fascinated. In fact, a little threatened, by our goodness and our lack of elitism. But they’re going to come and study it, they said that we could be a model. The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled, just — that’s not the word I want but I’m under too much pressure — spellbound, he was spellbound by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism? To że Jim powiedział że Jezus zrobił kilka dobrych rzeczy niczego nie dowodzi, pragnę przypomnieć o tkz. Teorii Marksistowskiej mitu Jezusa. >>90% to jakieś przypuszczenie Jonesa, na temat bliżej niesprecyzowanych "our people". Na stronie, której serek używa za źródło można znaleźć wyjaśnienie, że chodziło o kierownictwo sekty, szeregowi członkowie to chrześcijanie. << Zauważ że w transkrypcie Q622 mówi do tłumu [wyznawców] The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled, just — that’s not the word I want but I’m under too much pressure — spellbound, he was spellbound by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism? And the communists’ study? Not even communist practice, he’d be overwhelmed by the communist practice, even though some of you don’t know why you’re practicing communism. He said, you mean you— he got the church and got them out of atheism, he said, we haven’t been able to do that with the Soviet Union’s churches in 50 years. And he said, we got a control over them, we got the funding over them, we have to give them the money, so that the religion won’t become a vulture on the people, make private collections. We maintain the church, and let them have their religion as much as they need it. But he said, we cannot get them out of their religion. Mówiłby wprost do chrześcijan że chce aby byli ateistami? Dlatego daj spokój i zaakceptuj fakty choć może to być dla ciebie trudne.
OdpowiedzBył sympatykiem Mao Zedonga. I już wiadomo wszystko.
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